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Nominated by:
Giles Laurent (talk) on 2024-05-02 20:10 (UTC) |
Scope:
Panthera leo (lion) - dominant adult male protecting pride territory |
- Support Useful & used.--Agnes Monkelbaan (talk) 04:40, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Excellent image – fine for QI, and congratulations on FP. Unfortunately, IMHO the scope of an individual lion named Snyggve (sadly now passed) is much too narrow for a VI nomination.
- Per COM:VIS guidance on scopes for animals - one VI per species is the norm (OK on that); and/or sub-species (fine for additional VIs on those as well); with separate sub-scopes for identifiable adult, cub, male, female etc. (fine there too); various animal behaviors - in chase of prey, fighting, mating etc. (fine on all those as well).
- A scope that represents an individual lion-by-specific-name does not represent “a generic field or category within which your image is the most valuable example” per COM:VIS. It is a description of what your image represents but is too narrow as a VI scope. Can you find a better scope within the dozen or so possibilities above that Snyggve (now sadly passed) might represent? --GRDN711 (talk) 00:40, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The thing is that Snyggve (and Tryggve) is a quite famous lion : 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, etc. Just like famous persons (like recent VIC nominations) can have a scope for themselves, I think a famous animal like this one should also be able to have it. This lion is indeed quite famous and the scope would allow someone wanting to do a search query to directly find it. In the light of these elements, don't you think the current scope could fit @GRDN711? If not, please tell me what you think of these alternative scope suggestions : "Panthera leo (lion), sitting" (almost no other image of a lion sitting, only lying), "Panthera leo (lion), scanning the horizon" or "Panthera leo (lion), looking at vultures". Thank you in advance for your answer. -- Giles Laurent (talk) 16:37, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Being temporarily famous may be important for the human imagination but lions do not care. Notoriety is not associated with lion classification or behavior. Also, sadly, some of your references are obituary notices for Snyggve aka Bob….
- One scope related to lion behavior that comes to mind is “Panthera leo (lion) - dominant adult male protecting pride territory”. I have yet to review the 200 images in your scope link category for other images that would also meet this scope definition, but this or something similar might be considered. --GRDN711 (talk) 23:17, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Lions do not care but it is humans that use commons and care. I think that if a lion is that famous that even BBC, Whashington Post and many many other medias talk about it, this particular lion should deserve its own scope just like there is one scope for every notorious human. If a lion is famous, it is known and people that know it will want to search directly for it. Anyway, thank you for your scope suggestion, I edited the scope to use it. (I think "Panthera leo (lion), male sitting" could fit too as there is only 2-3 lions sitting (and not lying) in the gallery). Pinging all the voters : Agnes Monkelbaan, GRDN711 and Tagooty. -- Giles Laurent (talk) 12:44, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Scope changed from Panthera leo (lion), Snyggve to Panthera leo (lion) - dominant adult male protecting pride territory --Giles Laurent (talk) 12:45, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Please notify previous voters of this change. Remember: "A support vote that was made before a change of scope is not counted unless it is reconfirmed afterwards; an oppose vote is counted unless it is changed or withdrawn".
- Support with revised scope. While there are others, image quality for an image taken in the wild is excellent. This lion looks both regal and watchful in a way that is better than others. --GRDN711 (talk) 18:21, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment The scope is ok. The image does not depict the behaviour "protecting", no signs of an intruder or of aggression. There are dozens of similar images of lions standing and walking. This image and this one depict behaviour that could be aggressive. As of now, my oppose remains. --Tagooty (talk) 03:34, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Procedural points: (1) "A support vote that was made before a change of scope is not counted unless it is reconfirmed afterwards". The vote is currently 1 s, 1 o as Agnes Monkelbaan has not reconfirmed. (2) Per COM:VIP, a nomination can be closed "only if more than 48 hours have passed since the last vote ( Support, Neutral, or Oppose)." Hence, I've changed back to Discuss to allow sufficient time for opinions. --Tagooty (talk) 07:07, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominated by:
Giles Laurent (talk) on 2024-05-03 11:13 (UTC) |
Scope:
Panthera leo (lion), dominant adult male - full frontal view |
- Support Useful & Used --Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 05:22, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Agree with QI/FP ratings and like this image of Tryggve (also sadly passed), even better than the one of his brother lion, Snyggve. However, IMHO the nominated scope is also too narrow. Yours is the only image of this particular lion-by-name in the scope link category of 200 male lions. Can you think of a better VI scope?
- The thing is that Tryggve (and Snyggve) is a quite famous lion : 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, etc. Just like famous persons (like recent VIC nominations) can have a scope for themselves, I think a famous animal like this one should also be able to have it. This lion is indeed quite famous and the scope would allow someone wanting to do a search query to directly find it. In the light of these elements, don't you think the current scope could fit @GRDN711? If not, please tell me what you think of these alternative scope suggestions : "Panthera leo (lion), front view" or "Panthera leo (lion), symmetrical portrait". Thank you in advance for your answer. -- Giles Laurent (talk) 16:42, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment “Panthera leo (lion), dominant adult male - full frontal view" or similar, comes to mind and there may be others among the 200 images of your scope-link-category that meet this scope criteria. It remains to peer VI judgement if your image is best and most valued. --GRDN711 (talk) 23:31, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you for your scope suggestion, I edited the scope to use it. Pinging all the voters : Archaeodontosaurus, GRDN711 and Tagooty. Giles Laurent (talk) 12:51, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Scope changed from Panthera leo (lion), Tryggve portrait to Panthera leo (lion), dominant adult male - full frontal view --Giles Laurent (talk) 12:51, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Please notify previous voters of this change. Remember: "A support vote that was made before a change of scope is not counted unless it is reconfirmed afterwards; an oppose vote is counted unless it is changed or withdrawn".
- • Weak Support with revised scope as there are several others 1, 2 that are close. I give advantage that this image is of excellent quality and that the view is full frontal with the lion’s eyes locked on the photographer (who could be lunch under the right circumstances…). Showing all of the head and mane is a positive feature. As the image was made in the wild rather than a zoo represents an additional challenge. --GRDN711 (talk) 23:24, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment The scope is ok, however the linked CAT should be CAT:Panthera leo (male) (full front) rather than only the head. It is difficult to say that the nom image is the best of the 672 images in the CAT. Creating a specific sub-CAT may help. From a cursory look at the first 50 images, this image appears to be better as it shows the legs also, while in the nom image the lower part of the front is obscured. As of now, my oppose remains. --Tagooty (talk) 03:19, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Procedural points: (1) "A support vote that was made before a change of scope is not counted unless it is reconfirmed afterwards". (2) Per COM:VIP, a nomination can be closed "only if more than 48 hours have passed since the last vote ( Support, Neutral, or Oppose)." Hence, I've changed back to Discuss to allow sufficient time for opinions.
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Nominated by:
Giles Laurent (talk) on 2024-05-05 11:09 (UTC) |
Scope:
Capra ibex (Alpine ibex), male walking, and Creux du Van with snow |
Comment I think "at Creux du Van with snow" is not necessary in scope. --Thi (talk) 13:08, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you for your comment. So you would suggest "Capra ibex (Alpine ibex), male walking, and Swiss Alps in background" instead of "Capra ibex (Alpine ibex), male walking, at Creux du Van with snow and Swiss Alps in background" ? The thing is that almost the whole background is the Creux du Van itself and that the Swiss Alps is only the small portion on the top right with the far away mountains. So I think it would be more relevant to remove the Swiss Alps instead of the Creux du Van don't you think ? I just edited it that way, tell me if it works for you. Giles Laurent (talk) 13:16, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The Alpine ibex lives in the Alps of Europe, I don't think that any particular area is important to the scope but the mountain habitat is. The background is mostly unsharp and it is not important for the scope. I think that the scope should be more like a image search query (Capra ibex (Alpine ibex), male walking in the mountains) than a detailed description of the image. --Thi (talk) 15:39, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Here is the thing : the Creux du Van is not part of the Alps of Europe according to this map and as proven by this photograph, the Alpine ibex don't only lives in the Swiss alps. The Creux du Van is actually not that high in altitude, only 1440m in average. The Creux du Van background is immediately recognizable for any person that knows this place and this image illustrates well the male Alpine ibex that can be seen there (there is only one old male there according to my knowledge but many females) as almost all of the background is it. The place is very famous and 200'000 persons visit the Creux du Van every year with probably 80 to 90% in the summer and ibex are often seen there by people because they are a species that is not afraid of humans. So I think the picture illustrates well the male Alpine ibex that lives there for people that would do like a image search query of the ibex that lives there. Also, there is only a few days/weeks every year that you can have snow there as it is not very high in altitude and also because winters are becoming warmer and warmer lately. In the light of these elements, what do you suggest to use as scope, don't you think the new one would fit? Giles Laurent (talk) 15:56, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support The scope is good since Creux du Van is a well-known natural attraction, the picture illustrates the animal and the nature reservation area. --Thi (talk) 16:31, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Reluctantly Oppose because IMHO @Thi has it right in commenting that "at Creux du Van with snow" is not necessary in the scope. The Capra ibex species is only found in European alpine environments and adding Creux du Van as a geographical location in the scope is extra description that does not add to the uniqueness or value of the image. The subject appears to be an adult male. I am undecided that walking is unique sub-scope behavior. In terms of comparable images of an adult male Capra ibex, this one is of good quality, has better lighting and better fills the frame. --GRDN711 (talk) 00:28, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Useful and very used --Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 04:43, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominated by:
Atef Ouni (talk) on 2024-05-07 21:21 (UTC) |
Scope:
C'est une photo d'un paysage typique de Oued Zen sous une belle lumière matinale qui donne une belle ambiance et qui nous pousse à militer pour préserver ce parc |
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